Episode 174

Episode 174 / We attended Inkers Con Author Conference in Dallas a few weeks ago and we’re here to share our favorite moments and our biggest takeaways on taglines, tropes, direct sales, productivity, backlist sales, and so much more. The digital version of the Inkers Con conference is already open. Grab your ticket here: wishidknownforwriters.com/inkers23 (Affiliate link). Use either one of our codes, Jami23 or Sara23, for $50 off. You can watch the recorded sessions or participate in the live online events like roundtables, author Q & A, as well as networking and co-writing sessions.

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0:06 InkersCon 2023 Recap and Tagline Workshop 9:15 Tagline and Trope Writing Techniques 22:45 Lessons From a Writing Conference

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Jami Albright [00:00:26]: I’m Jamie Albright. And this week on the show we have Sara Rosett [00:00:34]: us. We’re doing an InkersCon 2023 recap. And this podcast is brought to you by BookVault. Yes. There are sponsor this this month for the whole month of July. Yeah. We’re so grateful. Thank you, BookVault. Jami Albright [00:00:49]: And they’re a great service. You’ve used them for your kick starters, and I’ve just heard amazing things about them. And we had them on the podcast, and I was so intrigued. Sara Rosett [00:01:01]: Yes. We had a great podcast with Alex from BookVault. Jami Albright [00:01:07]: And they are going to start their printing in the US on July 5th. Sara Rosett [00:01:12]: So that is very exciting. That’s something that we have been waiting for in the US, and they have great quality for their books. And I did use them for my Kickstarter. to fulfill like the hardcover special edition. They had color in it. It was gorgeous and I got lots of Readers responding saying that they loved it. But by having a printer in the US, it will be easier. You just won’t have to wait as long. Right now they had a consolidated shipper where you could it cut the cost a little bit. But by doing it in the US, it will be. really nice. It’ll be faster. And so super excited about that. And it should go live the same time because the same day this episode goes out. So if you’re releasing this in the future, it should already be available. So if you’re interested in BookVault, you can go to https://wishidknownforwriters.com/BookVault, and we’ll have that link in the show notes. Jami Albright [00:02:12]: InkersCon live 2023 recap. We won’t talk about how I almost tackled Alessandra Torre to the ground. Sara Rosett [00:02:21]: Because you won something. Right? Jami Albright I didn’t win. No. I took a poor woman out. Sara Rosett: That was great. because they did a raffle where you could they drew, I think, 3 people won, like, the digit or discount off of their live ticket next year. Yeah. For next year. And so Jamie won one of those out of I don’t know how many entries were there. So that was she was calling the universe. Jami Albright [00:02:50]: I was. I was sitting next to Renee Rose and a couple of other very woo woo people at the table. I said it was the battle of the manifestors and I won. Sara Rosett [00:03:01]: And she was manifesting the most. And she was so excited. She nearly tackled Alessandra. It was great. Jami Albright [00:03:10]: If you have seen Alessandra, you know she’s about as big as toothpick. And so I came at her like a linebacker. There was a flash of fear in her face for just a moment. Sara Rosett [00:03:22]: She’s like, oh, she’s not gonna kill me. She’s just super excited. Jami Albright [00:03:26]: Yeah. That was fun. But, yeah, it was a great conference. I I love I really love InkersCon. Sara Rosett: Yeah. I do too. This was our 2nd year. Jami Albright: I think the way they run it as well done so well. It’s really nice, but it’s not it’s not so nice that it’s they price you out of it. It’s, you know, there’s stuff for everybody. There’s just something for everybody. I mean, I got stuff. I know other people who’ve been doing this for a long time got stuff out of it too. So it was it was really great. They just give you lots of time to to, you know, talk and hang out and get to know people. Food’s amazing. Sara Rosett [00:04:16]: Yeah. Yes. And that’s good to say food. Yeah. Food is included. I mean, in the like, you have several meals that are included. So when you go, you don’t have to budget a whole lot for, like, eating out and stuff because some conferences, you don’t and the food is good. And it’s like they’ve made some changes this year from last year. They I think they’re really interested in hearing what people want and what they thought, and they’re willing to, like, change things up. And one of the new things they did this year was they did roundtables. On Thursday, I think. Friday. Right. They round tables on Friday, and you led a roundtables. Right? So I went so I went to several of those, and you could just sign up for them. They were very informal. You just go and sit down and kinda just chat. It was a good thing I think to do early on because you got to meet people and kinda get in there because I know there were a lot of people that were coming that didn’t know anybody. So it was a good opening thing. It was very informal. So you led one. Right? Jami Albright [00:05:20]: Yes. I did a taglines that sell. And so it’s pretty clickbaity. Sara Rosett: We all wanted a tagline that sells. Jami Albright: If I can’t do anything else. Sara Rosett: That’s a good title for a tagline workshop or roundtable. Jami Albright:,br />And I am thinking about expanding it out into something. I think that there’s something there. I mean, it’s nothing revolutionary. I mean, it’s not anything that we haven’t heard before pretty much. You know, Theodore talks about it. She talks about baking in that the good stuff from your book and your taglines for your books. And I agree with that. I’m not because for a long time, I was a lot about the tropes too. But and I still think the tropes are great and that they work great. But I think if you can if you can put in some of that better as she calls it to your tag lines. It it’s even better, but I also think that if you can if you can kinda nail a tagline for you and your brand, then you can use that in advertising and it’s not book specific. You know? It’s brand specific. And, you know, that’s how we remember a lot of things A lot of brands is by you know, what they you know, kinda what they’re known for and stuff. And I feel like, you know, I talk a lot about your brand being your promise the promise you make to your reader. Well, if we can make that promise in a real short sentence that goes on our website and we can put in our advertising or can put in anything that our name is on, then that can draw all the right people to to us. Sara Rosett [00:07:15]: And it gives you a framework. Like, if you’re like, this is my brand, and it’s general enough that it can cover, like, your writing style or the tone that you have. Jami Albright [00:07:28]: You could write multiple genres under that one brand for your name if you wanted to, if you could, if you can guarantee that you are going to deliver that in every book you write. And I think that for longevity, brand loyalty has clearly been proven to be something that’s a real thing, and that can really benefit companies. We’re a company. We have a brand. Colleen Hoover clearly has a brand, and she makes promise and she doesn’t break it. And, you know, And the promise she makes is not one I want her to fulfill. No. I’ve never read her books. Sara Rosett: Because you know that’s not what you’re looking for. Right? Jami Albright:,br />Don’t come at me. I’m sure she’s a fabulous writer because I’ve heard that, but it is not that is not the promise I want fulfilled. It’s not interesting to me. But she’s done her like, her brand has done its job because it is repelling me, and I probably would not enjoy her books because of that. And so you know? But by the same token, you know, someone else’s books, I would love and because of their brand, you know. Sara Rosett [00:08:54]: Well, the the tagline for the author, the series or the book, it gives you like, if you can figure that out, it gives you, like, a shortcut in the rest of your marketing for the book or your like, if it’s your author business tagline you can look at it and go, oh, this I can use it this way this time. You know? It gives you a kind of a starting point in a lot of ways, which is so helpful. We all hit the blank page and the thing about taglines and people resonating with you, like, with AI, that’s gonna be more and more and more important. Good to get your mind frame set on what your brand is. So what do you… you had a big group of people come. Right? Jami Albright [00:09:22]: I did. There were I think there were, like, 28 or something. Yeah. I didn’t have a table I had. There were a few people that had, like SARA Yeah. Some people had tables, and some people had chairs. So did y’all workshop any, like JAMI We just sort of talked about things. If I did it again, I’ll well, I only had 30 minutes. I mean, it’s not like we’re having a ton of time or, I guess, 40 minutes? It was pretty short. I don’t remember exactly. You know, I’d left some time so we could talk about it. And we did talk about a few people. You know? I think the problem comes in a lot of time because we go, well, I write sweet or I write this. Well, okay. Sweet’s not gonna get it. You know? I mean, get your thesaurus out. Sara Rosett [00:10:20]: It’s gonna, it can’t be too generic. Right? Jami Albright [00:10:25]: Now it’s gotta be specific for you. Yeah. Sara Rosett [00:10:30]: Because when I first started writing cozy, I was using like, murder and mayhem for something. Not for my I think I use that in a tagline or a description or something. And then I started seeing how often that’s used. And it’s like, if you see it over and over again, it’s people kind of their eyes glaze over. You know? So it can’t be it’s gotta be unique enough that people remember it. You know? So you gotta kind of drill down to what makes yours unique. Jami Albright [00:10:54]: Right. And I don’t think that we I mean, you know, it doesn’t have to be we don’t need to be super clever. I mean, we need to be clever right now, but not too clever. We don’t need using big words. We don’t need to be we just need something that’s going to at a glance tell people if you’re someone they want to explore or not and or or your books or something they want to explore. And you know, get the thesaurus. Make a list. It’s not gonna be your first 5 or 6 taglines. It’s gonna be that 7th 8th 9th. Or get together with a group of people. I love brainstorming. You can throw out I can throw out a very mediocre idea, but other people then can take parts of that mediocre idea and make it fabulous. And I think that that’s, you know, doing that with your author friends or with your your critique group or your writing group or whatever. is a great way to come up with that. Also, with people who know you and know what you write and what you give readers, because sometimes we can’t see that, especially if you’re new. It’s hard to tell what what it is we’re actually giving readers. So Anyway, that was mine. It was great. I mean, it was fun. Well, it was great for me. I hope it was great for other people. Sara Rosett [00:12:20]: You enjoyed it. That’s what you’re saying. Jami Albright [00:12:24]: But yeah. I mean, I think it’s something that and, also, a lot of times people talk about taglines, and we don’t know what a tagline is. And it’s just a it’s a slogan. It’s a it’s that one more thing, and I always talk about Amy Daws who we’ve had on the podcast. You know, she may have the one of the best taglines of all time for one of her books, which was when the ER doctor tells you that you’re pregnant with his baby. I mean, who’s not gonna buy that? Sara Rosett [00:12:52]: That’s yeah. If that’s the what you’re into, that’s like, oh, one click. Jami Albright [00:12:59]: Yeah. One click. So I just feel like you know, really thinking about those things. And I know it’s hard because, you know, when we’re getting a book out, we’ve got the blurb and we’ve got this and it and we feel like blurbs drain us, and we can’t you know? Or Because they do. Maybe that’s just me. But yeah. And then we it’s like, oh gosh. One more thing. But I think that one more thing sometimes sometimes can be the thing. You know, that would be that one click thing for for readers. So, yeah, something to think about. Sara Rosett [00:13:30]: So and another idea is if you’re stuck, you could put like you said, those first couple of ideas you have that are not great. You could put those in chat GPT and just say, you know, write me 10 more. And it they may not be good, but you make it a little negative something that you can use. If you don’t have people around that you can brainstorm with, like, if you’ve got a deadline and you need the right one really quickly or something. Jami Albright [00:14:01]: Mine is sexy, swoony, pee your pants funny. Okay, y’all, I’m not getting any a’s for that, but It does tell people what I have. It is even a little generic. I mean, little broad, but the pee your pants funny is enough to go, oh, what? You know? I mean, you just have to think about your stuff. I’m not even saying mine. Like, I’m not saying mine’s the best. I’m just saying that think about it. You know? And I think the problem is we don’t think about it. You know? We don’t think about what our brand is. We have a general vague idea of what our brand is, but we need to be clear about that. So in my opinion. Sara Rosett [00:14:49]: So let’s see. I did a couple of the workshops. I did. Katie Cross had a couple and one was on more a mindset one. And then the other one she did was on direct sales, and there were a couple round tables on direct sales, and I went to those. And it was good just to talk to people and see what what they were doing, what was working. Let’s see. I wrote something down about. Somebody mentioned for direct sales, they’re doing a pay your own price type direct sale, and that’s kind of a newer thing. We’ve talked about, I think, before on this. So, apparently, that’s working well. I haven’t tried that yet. Might do that. That’s kind of I didn’t go to all of them, but it was nice because you could kinda drop in, do a couple, take a break. So I enjoyed that. And then in the sessions, I don’t think we’re gonna talk about every single session or every single speaker, but maybe just kind of the things that popped out at us. And one thing that I’ve been thinking about since I came back with Katarina Mara did a session on yeah. She’s writes for romance, and is doing super well. Jami Albright [00:15:54]: At the time, she had the number one to book in the store at the top of the store. Sara Rosett [00:16:01]: Doing really well. So she talked she did a very detailed presentation on, like, how let’s see. Did I write it down? I don’t think I have the actual title. But, like, going like, from one level to the next in your author career, like, going from 4 to 5 to to 6 figures, like, how she kind of she talked a lot about the mistakes she made. But one thing she mentioned was that when she figured out what wasn’t working and she recalibrated and wrote a new series, she made sure that new series that all the books were the same trope. And I was like, oh, and, I mean, it makes so much sense now. And I’m one of those people that I’m not good at looking forward and predicting stuff. But looking back, like, thinking about it now, I’m like, of course, the market’s fragmenting more and more and more. And the trope is the thing. And if you can write a series with 4 or 5 however many books about blank. Then you know your rears are gonna buy in. If they like the first one, they’re gonna because I think hers, she was saying, was I think forbidden love was hers. And so she talked about how, like, one is like an age gap, and then they’re all different types forbidden love, so it’s not the same thing over and over again. Mhmm. But I was like that. So smart, and I don’t know yet how to apply that. like in mystery because the tropes are not as well defined. But I do know of one author that she’s writing a locked room series. She’s traditionally published and every mystery is a locked room mystery which a lot of people Some people think they’re writing a locked room, and they’re really not. They’re just writing a close circle. Mhmm. But, yeah, I think if you can do that, like, if you can figure out some trope or some maybe some universal fantasy like Theodore Taylor talks about that will pull people in every single time. It’s really smart. Jami Albright [00:17:52]: I mean, when you tell me that I didn’t get up early enough for that meal, it was the first day. Sara Rosett [00:17:56]: Yeah. It was early. Jami Albright [00:18:06]: I’ve been teaching swim lessons. But when you told me that I was like, what? And when you explained it, and I was like, oh my gosh. That’s such a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. She was great. Everybody was talking about how great Just it there was just a lot she just shared a lot of great information. She did not gatekeep, and I thought that was fabulous because, you know, sometimes there’s some gatekeeping, and she didn’t, and I love that. Sara Rosett [00:18:30]: Yeah. So that one was one that was one of the things that stood out to me. Then I was like, I need to think about this more. I’m pondering on that one. And then she also said another thing I wrote down for hers was that when she does when people sign up for her reader magnet or her like, at the end of the book when they sign up to get the extra whatever, she tries to extend that out. So instead of sending them one email, she sends them I think, 4 over 4 days. So they get one email, and then the next day, they get another email. I think it was a series of letters she does. and it she says, her she wants to keep the reader thinking about her and her books over time. She doesn’t want them to just read it and be done and move on. She wants him to be thinking about. Jami Albright [00:19:23]: Amazing. I mean, she was just so smart and And, you know, she’s beautiful. I mean, if you’ve never seen her, she’s breathtakingly beautiful. But She’s also very kind, and we’re gonna have her on the podcast. She agreed to be on the podcast. Yeah. She lives in Hong Kong, though, so we have to do the whole timing. Sara has to do that or Adriel. Sara Rosett [00:19:49]: Adriel will because you don’t wanna touch me with time stuff. Jami Albright: I can’t even do, you know, Pacific time. I have to Sara Rosett: Oh my gosh. Yeah. Don’t trust me with that. So we’ll get we’ll get Adriel all coordinated, fix that up. And then let’s see. Theodore Taylor did one on universal fantasies. And we’ve talked we had her on the podcast. but she did her presentation was specifically on using universal fantasy near blurbs, and it was very detailed. And she showed an example of how she took a blurb and went in and and improved it. And I’m not gonna go into all the details because there was a lot. But she said one of the things she said was, like, you need to make sure she calls it butter like you were saying, like, the good stuff that people really want. You gotta have butter for your characters for your plot. And you need to figure out, like, what the feeling is that you want the book to convey, and it makes sure that that’s in the blurb. And then she went into way more detail than than that. But that was really good. Jami Albright [00:20:51]: I was in that session too, and and it was so good. I mean, it was just so, I mean, she’s always so good. And but, you know, I mean, I just learned so much from Theodore just having a conversation at lunch with her. I mean so when she gets up and really talks, it’s amazing. And so, yeah, that was that was a big thing for me too, like, about blurbs and stuff and how You can really bake that in. Sara Rosett [00:21:24]: Just another step. Like, you get it you get your book done, and then you’ve gotta do the blurb and the tagline to make it all sing. The the advantage of going to conferences is you can have lunch with people and chat. And you know, those informal conversations sometimes you learn more. Right. And just get to know people and develop relationships. Jami Albright [00:21:50]: We sat for a couple of hours after lunch. Was it Friday? On Friday? Although, there were a bunch of us at that table. And just, you know, just talking about all kinds of stuff. Shows and, you know, shows that and why those shows work and why those shows don’t work because it was Enes, Theodora and Leslie. Penelope. We’re getting her on the podcast. She is So smart, she did something on world building, which I didn’t get to because there was something else I really wanted to get to, but I’m gonna listen to it because everyone was talking about how amazing it was. how amazing that what that presentation was. But, yeah, I mean, just sitting with people and talking to them and soaking up their knowledge. So I love that’s my favorite part of conferences. Sara Rosett [00:22:36]: And we also speaking of sitting with people at lunch. We did breakfast with a bunch of podcast listeners, and that was so much fun. It was great to see everybody face to face and get chat and know people a little bit better, that was a lot of fun. Jami Albright [00:22:51]: It was a lot of fun. And it was a lot of fun to talk to people who you know, are doing really well. You know? They say they’re doing really well because they heard some stuff on the podcast and made him go, hey. I need to think about that. You know? And so that’s really you know, that just makes us feel amazing because that’s why we started doing this. It was it was great. One of the sessions I went to was Jen Graybels. Jen is saying she’s like a plot doctor, and then she does you know, story editing and stuff like that and or not a plot doctor. I mean, she’s a story doctor. She just she’ll fix your story, whatever. But the funny thing is she she talked a lot about I mean, she even gave out stickers, do what makes your brain happy. So she talked a lot about brain science and how and it’s all it you know, it’s it’s some of the same stuff that we hear from Claire Taylor and from Becca in that, you know, we see people doing things, and we’re like, we want to do them. But we’re not made to do things the way they do them because our brains don’t work that way. We’re all different, and we all do things differently. And so she said, She said the mantra for frustration is free your mind and the rest will follow and I don’t know if you recognize that, but it’s from Madonna’s boat. Yes. and your rest will follow. And it’s true because if you can kinda get out of your own way and get out of that I should be doing this, then you have freed up so much room for creativity and you know, just productivity, but in your way. And it’s and she says creativity is both skill and a resource. And I thought that was good too because I don’t think about that. I don’t think about it being a resource. as much as this skill. Sara Rosett [00:25:16]: And that you can learn techniques, like if to make you more productive, but is, I guess, the trick is figuring out Which ones work for each person because, like you said, we’re all different. And each person has their own most productive way of doing things. Jami Albright [00:25:29]: Yeah. She said that strength and creativity are created during rest which We don’t really we don’t consider that. We don’t- Sara Rosett [00:25:45]: I’m so glad I just got off a cruise. Got my week of rest. Jami Albright [00:25:48]: But it was really good. It was really good. And I walked away going, you know, I don’t know. It just made me feel better about where I am and you know, the fact that I have had to give my brain and my heart a rest. And I had to. You know, there was no choice about that. And so Yeah. It it was great. Sara Rosett [00:26:25]: Yeah. I think we’re normalizing that in the writer community that it’s impossible to continually produce books Like I mean, some people are gifted and can produce a lot of books quickly, but then we all have to rest sometimes. And that was not normal. or celebrated until recently. And I think that’s what the communities were coming to learn. Some of us the hard way that, like, we have to burn out to learn it. Sso let’s see. Another panel that was really good was the success panel. And that had Jonathan Barrezi, Alessandra Torre, Enes Johnson and Diana Zarissa. And they each spoke for, like, maybe 15 minutes. And I forgot what it was, but it was like, tell how you got started. Yeah. what your challenges were, what’s been the main the biggest thing that’s been you’ve been successful or is helping you be successful. And then I think they took questions at the end. They had changed they they had a success panel last year, but this one was a little different format. I really liked it because people got to really and they said it was a challenge, you know, to pull everything down to 15 minutes. But like Jonathan talked about co writing, Right. And tips on that. And ENes talked about direct sales. Right. And she said bundles were doing really well for her. And discount discounted bundles. And her main thing though was to tell a story, like, with your direct sales. You’ve got to figure out a way to tell a story and that that’s, like, telling a story about the character or the world or the theme. and she talks about how she takes her Books, and will bundle them one way, and then she’ll bundle them another way, like maybe series or by theme or by 1st in series. So there’s like that. It’s was a good way to kinda change what we were thinking about bundles and stuff. Yeah. And then oh, Diana talked about she’s so prolific. Jami Albright [00:28:33]: So so prolific. Sara Rosett [00:28:39]: She’s a little intimidating to me. But She’s a cozy mystery writer. And one thing that I thought was really interesting I mean, she talked about I thought it was interesting. She said she talked about what she could control and what has worked for her. And that’s something that a lot of times we don’t think about is, like, there are things that are just beyond our control that we cannot change, like, the whole category thing on Amazon. Now that’s just so crazy or if they mess up the preorder, that’s something you can’t control. So she talked about that. And then interesting thing was she said she writes long series, and she talks about how she does these, like, complex, deep back his back stories and histories. So she’ll have lots to explore with her characters. And then each series it’s alphabetically titled so that, you know, like Sue Grafton did a is for alibi, b as for burglary, it’s kinda like that, but not following that same pattern. Right. But I thought that’s so smart because she said, then readers always know which book is next. And you know that’s so confusing when you’re on the retailer and you’ve got, like, 4 series, and they’re popping up the most featured 1. And you’re like, where am I? So I was like, It would be smart to figure out some way to order a series. I’m not gonna do the alphabet because I don’t know that I wanna almost 26 books. But I could find something else, I think. I think about it. So I just thought that was really interesting. It was. And inspiring because she’s written 26 books in one series and she’s done a second series that’s kind of a spin off that she’s also going through the alphabet with that one. Right. And then I think she has, like, 3 or 4 more other series that she’s working on. Jami Albright [00:30:24]: It was really great. It was it was so good. And I what I liked about it was this one had a lot of it had craft stuff, and it had marketing stuff. And it had mindset stuff because, you know, Renee Rose and Carissa Andrews who has a podcast. Carissa has a podcast and if you’ll give me a second, I will tell you what it is. because I completely forgot the name, and I was get I wasn’t gonna forget it. The author revolution podcast is Carissa’s podcast. And, like, I can’t staring at her. She was in my roundtable and never and I kept thinking, how do I know this woman? How do I know her? And then I realized, oh, gosh. She looks just like her picture and a podcast. Yeah. So but, anyway, they did the whole mindset, and it was just it was really great. I mean, that part that one was so good for me. I think those are the ones that really like resonated with me, but I will say that Bonnie Paulson did one on marketing and scheduling your promotions and stuff, and she gives she’s gonna she gave a handout, and I know that she’s doing it for the online people too because she said she made a point of saying, please print this out before you start. It is so good. Like, I’m so glad I have it. And we filled it out while she was gone along. So it’s really good about just scheduling your promotions. And then Golden Angel did session on your backlist, selling your backlist. And, basically, it’s, you know, every month you should have a promotion running. You should do a free a free something or a discounted something. And she said basic steps are book optimized. Is the book optimized for a promo? Like, is your back matter fixed? Is all that? Discount the book. promote and advertise. Profit. Repeat. So once you get a system down, you can just keep going. And that’s because we forget you know, we get so caught up in our in our releases and especially, you know, if you’re really releasing Even if you’re not releasing super fast, even if you’re releasing 3 books a year, it’s still easy to only focus on that book you’re writing and then the book you’re getting ready to release and then the Book you release and then you start all over again and forget about all the books you have. And even if you don’t have a lot like me, Like, I couldn’t do really do a free a promotion every month, but I could do one every other month. Or you could do one every quarter or something like that. But Anyway, it was really great to just a good reminder that oh, yeah. We need to be doing this. We need to be. we need to be really mindful of doing this because, you know, the market’s crowded, and it’s hard to, you know, Hard to be seen. Sara Rosett [00:33:38]: And promotions are a good way to get a little bump. And if you’re consistent with them, it can make a big difference. over time, I think. So I had to I had to sneak out early. I didn’t get to go the last day because I was driving home, so I could get on the cruise ship. Yes. And I kinda had a deadline. I had to get out of there and do laundry and go. So I missed some of these, but I am gonna go back I’ve heard so many good things about the ones. And then there you know, there’s always things at a conference that you can’t go to because there’s, like, 2 or 3 at the same time. So I’m definitely gonna be dipping into the the digital. So we do have an affiliate link. And we’ll put them in the show notes. So if you’re interested in getting the digital conference because all of this is available digitally, and it’s open. I wrote down the dates. Hold on minute. Let me get back there. Maybe. Okay. So it is it started July 22nd, but it runs through August 10th. And they have live events several times. They have roundtables, q and a with authors, networking, and co writing. So it’s like a mini conference that you can do. You can drop drop in. Just watch things if you want, or you can, like, go to the sessions. So we’ll have a link for that, and it’s an affiliate link. And we highly recommend Inkers because there’s got something for everybody and it’s really well done. Jami Albright [00:35:14]: We are Glad we went. We’re going back, I think Sara and I are maybe speaking next year, so that would be fun. True. If that works out. We were asked. Sara Rosett [00:35:28]: So we will probably be there. But, I mean, it’s so so such a good conference. that we would probably be there. So, anyway, so we’ll have those notes. Anything else we wanna mention or talk about? Jami Albright [00:35:39]: Well, we just wanna remind people that BookVault is our sponsor this month, and you can find out the information in the show notes. about that and thanks to Adriel Wiggins for doing the admin and Alexa Larburg for editing and producing. Remember that I do consulting. That was something I was scolded about several times at InkersCon. I don’t mention my consulting enough. So I do consulting, and you get a discount if you listen to the podcast. So just let me know when you email me if you listen to the podcast. Sara Rosett [00:36:22]: It’s always good to mention that because it should be mentioned. So and the link for BookVault, if you’re interested in that, is book vault.app. Bookvault one word. And we will have all the links at wishIdknownforwriters.com. And if you wanna support the podcast, you can Just use that same link and put slash support on the end. Right. And that is it from us.

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